{"id":913,"date":"2010-03-14T11:12:49","date_gmt":"2010-03-14T10:12:49","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.rauhe.dk\/travel\/?p=913"},"modified":"2010-03-17T11:24:45","modified_gmt":"2010-03-17T10:24:45","slug":"ho-chi-minh-stien","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.rauhe.dk\/travel\/?p=913","title":{"rendered":"Ho Chi Minh Stien"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><strong>Vieng Xai \u2013 Sam Neua (Xam Neua) med bus <\/strong><\/p>\n<div style=\"height:300px;width:500px;\" id=\"map-canvas\"><\/div><script> google.maps.event.addDomListener(window, 'load', initializeMap('http:\/\/www.rauhe.dk\/travel\/gpx\/2010_03_14.kml')); <\/script><div align=''> <a  style=\"font-size:x-small;\" href='https:\/\/www.rauhe.dk\/travel\/wp-content\/plugins\/john_plugin\/foo.php?file=http:\/\/www.rauhe.dk\/travel\/gpx\/2010_03_14.kml' target='_blank'>Show map in new window<\/a><\/div>\n<p>Jeg tog ned til turistkontoret og meldte mig til den guidede tur gennem grotterne kl. 9. Guiden ville helst vente til kl. 13 da jeg var eneste turist &#8211; det var OK med mig; mine rejseplaner er lette at \u00e6ndre!<br \/>\nDer dukkede dog 2 engl\u00e6ndere op (ogs\u00e5 cyklister; Rachel og Alastair, jeg havde talt kort med dem dagen f\u00f8r i <strong>Sam Neua<\/strong>). De ville gerne p\u00e5 turen nu kl. 9 og guiden var ogs\u00e5 lidt mere t\u00e6ndt p\u00e5 det nu hvor der var 3 personer.<\/p>\n<p>Grotterne i <strong>Vieng Xai<\/strong> er kendte fordi &#8216;Pathet Lao&#8217; (kommunisterne i Laos) gemte sig her under Vietnam krigen.<br \/>\nSom folk nok ved, vandt kommunisterne Vietnam krigen, men hvad mange nok ikke ved (undertegnede inklusive) er at Vietnam krigen ogs\u00e5 havde en, endog meget, stor p\u00e5virkning p\u00e5 Laos (l\u00e6s mere under).<br \/>\nDa det er et kommunistisk styre (krigen gav kommunisterne magten her, som i Vietnam) her i Laos, er det meget naturligt at den audio-tour vi var p\u00e5 (vi fik en slags walkman der guidede os igennem de forskellige grotter), var farvet til fordel for kommunisterne, men jeg var faktisk imponeret over hvor lidt propaganda der var flettet ind i touren.<br \/>\nAlt i alt var det rigtigt sp\u00e6ndende at se grotterne og samtidigt f\u00e5 historien fortalt. Grotterne i sig selv var dog ikke noget der fik t\u00e5rerne til at trille&#8230;<\/p>\n<p>S\u00e5dan rejsem\u00e6ssigt blev det til en gang backtracking med bus i dag; og endnu en etape i bus venter igen i morgen. Jeg er p\u00e5 vej tilbage mod \u00d8stlaos, men tager det stille og roligt (jeg kan heller ikke andet, busserne g\u00e5r n\u00e5r busserne g\u00e5r her i Laos :-))<\/p>\n<p>Jeg tog tilbage til <strong>Sam Neua<\/strong>, i en ladvogn konverteret til persontransport, sammen med de 2 engl\u00e6ndere, Rachel og Alastair. Det var en fordel for mig da &#8216;busserne&#8217; kun k\u00f8rer hvis der er folk nok til at betale. Vi spiste senere aftensmad sammen p\u00e5 en rigtig god indisk restaurant i <strong>Sam Neua<\/strong>.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Vietnam krigen (g\u00e5r ogs\u00e5 g\u00e5r under navnet &#8216;The Second Indochina War&#8217;) i Laos:<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Laos har en meget lang \u00f8stlig gr\u00e6nse mod Vietnam, og var derfor et strategisk vigtigt land under Vietnam krigen. Officielt var Laos neutralt, men da kommunisterne i Laos blev st\u00f8ttet af nordvietnameserne og da de h\u00f8jreorienterede kr\u00e6fter blev st\u00f8ttet af USA\/sydvietnameserne, blev disse grupper st\u00e6rkere end de mere neutrale kr\u00e6fter i Laos.<br \/>\nI Laos stod slaget mellem den USA sponsorerede regeringsh\u00e6r og s\u00e5 kommunisterne.<\/p>\n<p>Kommunisterne i Laos hjalp nordvietnameserne i krigen ved (som det mest kendte) at hj\u00e6lpe dem gennem Laos til strategiske positioner i Vietnam. Denne trafik med forsyninger, soldater og v\u00e5ben blev kendt som &#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217; og er kendt fra samtlige Vietnam krigs film.<\/p>\n<p>&#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217; var en torn i \u00f8jet p\u00e5 USA og Sydvietnam, og USA bombede derfor det \u00f8stlige Laos for at f\u00e5 stoppet trafikken p\u00e5 &#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217;.<\/p>\n<p>Det siges at der blev smidt flere bomber i Laos mellem krigens start i 1964 og v\u00e5benhvilens start i 1973 som der blev smidt under hele anden verdenskrig.<br \/>\nDet lyder vanvittigt, men som et billede p\u00e5 hvor desperate amerikanerne var for at f\u00e5 stoppet trafikken p\u00e5 &#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217;, s\u00e5 g\u00e5r historien at USA, i stedet for at bombe &#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217;, droppede d\u00e5ser med Budweiser \u00f8l i stedet; de h\u00e5bede at kommunisterne ville drikke sig fulde, og derved stoppe trafikken.<\/p>\n<p>Det skal lige siges at &#8216;Ho Chi Minh Stien&#8217; ikke er \u00e9n sti, men mange stier som amerikanerne aldrig vidste hvor var.<\/p>\n<p><strong>UXO<\/strong><\/p>\n<p>Ovenst\u00e5ende forklaring leder mig videre til emnet UXO (<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">U<\/span>ne<span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">X<\/span>ploded <span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\">O<\/span>rdnance \u2013 Ikke eksploderet ammunition). Der ligger tons og atter tons af; bomber der ikke detonerede ved nedslag, &#8216;Cluster bombs&#8217; og andre ubehageligheder, specielt i \u00d8stlaos. Dog er det meste af den tilbagev\u00e6rende ammunition vist mest fra tidligere krige.<\/p>\n<p>Det er faktisk s\u00e5 slemt at man bliver advaret (kraftigt endda) mod at g\u00e5 bort fra stier og veje. Det er lidt ubehageligt at t\u00e6nke p\u00e5, men der er alligevel slanger og andet kryb man skal passe p\u00e5, s\u00e5 bomber er bare \u00e9n grund mere til at holde sig til vejen\/stien. Jeg er alligevel ikke den store trekker (trekkie m\u00e5ske \u2013 men ikke trekker \ud83d\ude42 ).<\/p>\nngg_shortcode_0_placeholder\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>[&#8230;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"ngg_post_thumbnail":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[147],"tags":[474],"class_list":["post-913","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-laos","tag-laos","odd"],"aioseo_notices":[],"aioseo_head":"\n\t\t<!-- All in One SEO 5.0.0.1 - aioseo.com -->\n\t<meta name=\"description\" content=\"Vieng Xai \u2013 Sam Neua (Xam Neua) med bus Jeg tog ned til turistkontoret og meldte mig til den guidede tur gennem grotterne kl. 9. Guiden ville helst vente til kl. 13 da jeg var eneste turist - det var OK med mig; mine rejseplaner er lette at \u00e6ndre! 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